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Post by Cruise meerkat Youssy on Jul 19, 2017 13:44:40 GMT -5
She was probably just homesick. When I went to Germany when I was 16, I got suuuuper homesick about a week in and wanted nothing more than to go home. And this is while I was having an awesome time and was talking to my mom almost every night on the phone, so it's not hard to imagine that 12-15 year olds would get really homesick being stranded in the middle of the wilderness with 19 strangers and no family or friends, enduring the elements and lack of modern day conveniences, being filmed all day, and competing in a reality show to vote off your new friends. It's a big shock from their normal lives.
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Post by amplify26 on Jul 19, 2022 23:07:12 GMT -5
It's been a while since I watched this season, so let's go!
Hang Glide:
--Two seconds in and my soft spot for Isaac just flustered again, haha. If we were closer in age (~3-5 year difference) I would've had a serious crush on him.
--"But this isn't a popularity contest, this is an endurance contest, and survivors win." Strange to hear that from Julie, knowing that she wasn't "into the game", apparently.
--I wonder why Brittany hardly got any edit on this episode. Sure, most of the contestants eliminated in the RTS don't get much screentime, but Brittany stands out because we didn't see much of her.
--"I'm not going to be the ordinary Chris; I'm going to be the amazing Chris!" Sure...another Chris won his season the previous year!
--How did the editing team forget about Amelia?
--Someone in the background said "oh!" when J.D. started talking about Temple--as if they never watched this show before...
--"Two of you standing here are endurance champions; we just got to find out which two it is!"
--"Today, half of you are going to be eliminated!" I know it's just a joke, but I wonder what the contestants expected. (Now I'm thinking of some recent seasons of Total Drama which had half the episode count of the first three seasons)
--Franke: "We've only known each other for six hours and we're family."
--Come to think of it, give me the mud wrestling now!
--Why is there a shot with a lone campfire?
--Kendall: "I don't think I can do it.", right after Nicholas' interview about the RTS. Haha.
--Amelia: "You're a dancer, while I'm just a cheerleader..." The only time I saw such a clique of girls so soon was with Ashley, Sabrina, and Jonna (nominally) on e1. Any other examples (maybe Cealey and Kelsey)?
--"We'll remember you!" If only.
--"Make sure you're breathing!" Haha.
--For some reason, I was never fond of Hang Glide as a challenge. I'd imagine it's painful to hang on after getting dragged to the other side of the water. Plus, the contestants seemed to drop out so fast, especially with the girls! (That said, it's nice to see how the underdogs--Michael and Chris--beat out the tougher boys)/
--Why was Jeszie particularly upset about Tucker not making it?
--"I love you J.D!"
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Post by amplify26 on Jul 19, 2022 23:50:04 GMT -5
Power Play: --Jeszie doesn't want Franke because "He won't listen to what I say, and he'll go his own way." On another post on switching teams, I mentioned that they would be quite dysfunctional, because of that and Franke wasn't that athletic. Isaac and Erika would be a dream team if this happened. --"I'm always in charge!" --Shea speaking up and getting Amelia as his partner has to be one of the most wholesome moments on this show. It's so cute! (That said, do you think they would've done better with other partners?) --"That's even better than getting the first pick!" Chris, haha. --"And if they put me Franke, I'm going to scream!" --Michael: "I feel comfortable talking to Daniela; she's like my sister, so that's...good." Something about how he says it was a bit strange. --Jeszie embracing Isaac after he said he wanted her almost feels like a romance novel. Hehe. --At least Franke wouldn't feel like Garret.  --Chris going about how he doesn't like this perfect list reminds me of Max from e1: "If people get what they want, then it could pose problems for the other teams." --"All teams need conflict." On a scale from 1 to Willa and Antonio, how much dysfunction do teams need? --Callie: "Oh, I let go!" That was quite unexpected. It also is about the same time Calley would drop out, haha. --Yes, it is adjusted for height. --Jeszie: "Isaac, stop talking!" --Again, is it just me, or were the partner selections better in seasons 1-3? Getting control of the partner selection becomes too standardized in the last half of the show. --Of course, there was the shock of Chris putting Daniela with Jonathan, but it didn't feel as dramatic as Lindi bumping Chris for Bryanah. --More surprising is how Chris kept this de-facto "List" intact for the most part. ----Also a quick trick in the editing with how Daniela comes up to him afterwards. --Daniela: "But I'm totally not going to stereotype Jon; I'm going to give him a chance; I want him to try hard." <3 <3 --Interesting Isaac would target the Blue Team at this point in the game. --Franke: "It's red, and we are too." How poetic. --Franke: "Let the best team win, let the games begin!" He's such a quote machine. |
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Post by fanofe2 on Jul 20, 2022 14:58:38 GMT -5
--"Two of you standing here are endurance champions; we just got to find out which two it is!"
When JD said that, I started looking to see who I recognized from past seasons.
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Post by carsonvega on Jul 20, 2022 18:32:33 GMT -5
--Someone in the background said "oh!" when J.D. started talking about Temple--as if they never watched this show before... I think that might have been due to the editing. Kendall was shown with the same mouth agape face when they announced the temple of fate as well as when JD made the joke about half of them leaving on the first day. So, I wouldn't be surprised if the "oh"s had all been during the joke or some other part of JD's speech. --Why is there a shot with a lone campfire? My guess would be that they were just trying to emphasize that a night had actually passed with all 20 players there. Several people mentioned the night having passed afterward, but the campfire in the otherwise dark surroundings made for a decent visual. --Shea speaking up and getting Amelia as his partner has to be one of the most wholesome moments on this show. It's so cute! (That said, do you think they would've done better with other partners?) This is an interesting question. For Shea, I think he is still tight with John and still reveals that their two teams are in an alliance much too early, thereby helping to unite Isaac and Jonathan against them (probably with Chris and Franke too for at least the first few missions). If Shea got partnered with Erika, I think they might have been able to win the first Endurance mission, Blocked (especially if Isaac also had a partner other than Jeszie in this scenario), but regardless, I think Shea's team and John's team still get way too many sandbags and lose Raft Pull and both get sent to temple. Again assuming Shea and Erika are together, I think they might well win the temple against John's team (since both Shea and Erika won their first temples during the actual game), and then Erika still wins Drop Out. I'd favor Shea and Erika winning Super Stumped since Shea led his team to victory in the actual game. There are a lot of unknowns here - would Shea and Erika pick Isaac to be on their Superteam after possibly getting targeted after Raft Pull? If not (too much division) and Isaac was on the other Superteam, and Erika and Shea could force Isaac to go to temple after Super Stumped...they would be in a decent position to win if Isaac left. If they didn't get Isaac out with 6 teams left, they might have been able to get him out at 5 if Isaac and Daniela were partners, because Daniela was much less effective at Waterworks than Jeszie. I tend to think that there would just be too many hurdles for Shea to overcome with any other partner, even Erika (they might pick Isaac to be on their Superteam anyway and if he survives he targets Shea/Erika a lot because as he said in the actual game "Erika is a beast at everything she does", or else failing that if Daniela and/or Franke are still in the game with 4 teams left I wouldn't favor Shea and Erika to win Cubed and therefore they probably have to go back to temple at that point). For Amelia, if she had been partnered with Isaac right away, I don't think their team would necessarily have won as many missions as the real life Isaac/Jeszie team did, but assuming the Shea-John early alliance reveal as well as Isaac bonding with Jonathan still happening, I think an Isaac/Amelia team would still make it deep into the game. In the actual game, Jeszie got suspicious of how much time Isaac and Amelia spent together, and of course they would have spent even more time together and sooner if they had been partners, so I guess it's possible Jeszie would target them - but I don't think Jeszie partnered with a boy other than Isaac would win more than 2 non-Superteam missions (maybe Blocked, maybe Waterworks - I think Isaac played a bigger role in Isaac/Jeszie's victories in Fireball and Hang 5), so her impact would be relatively limited. I think an Isaac/Amelia team would probably still run into a loss against any team with Erika in the Circle of Trust mission, and I'd favor Erika to still get to the final 3 (I think she would make it if her partner was still Franke, obviously, but also if her partner was Jonathan. Really any of the guys except maybe Michael, although it might require a win at temple or two as Franke/Erika actually did have to win.)
--Michael: "I feel comfortable talking to Daniela; she's like my sister, so that's...good." Something about how he says it was a bit strange. I found a lot of Michael's confessionals to be a little strange - almost like he was trying too hard. I think in this case, he didn't want to seem like he liked his sister too much (which would of course be creepy at best). But if he'd just said it quickly and without any weird pauses I don't think anyone would have worried that he was creepy. --"All teams need conflict." On a scale from 1 to Willa and Antonio, how much dysfunction do teams need? If Willa and Antonio are 10+, I'd say about a 3 in an ideal situation. They need to get along more often than not, but they do need to bring different perspectives to various situations and be comfortable enough with each other to speak up when they disagree. And if things are not going well for them as a team, it can be useful to have a bit of frustration to tap into (even with one's own partner) if nothing else (but only a little bit). --Again, is it just me, or were the partner selections better in seasons 1-3? Getting control of the partner selection becomes too standardized in the last half of the show. --Of course, there was the shock of Chris putting Daniela with Jonathan, but it didn't feel as dramatic as Lindi bumping Chris for Bryanah. I would argue that the Daniela-Jonathan drama was about equal to the only real drama in E2 over who would get Jacquelynn - lots of the guys commented about Jacquelynn before the game, but no one was all that bent out of shape about it afterward; Wayne had a brief comment in a confessional but that was it. And I would compare the partner selection mission of E4 favorably to that of E2 - for every ball except for the boys' red (because they knew Jacquelynn wanted red) and the boys' gray (because I think both Shep and Wayne didn't want to not get a ball)...there was no real contest; someone just went after the ball and no one else really tried to stop them. The E4 partner selection power play at least gave some early insight into some of the players who were going to be tough (namely Erika and Isaac), and also gave Chris a chance to back up some of his rhetoric (in terms of how he was going to be the amazing Chris, etc.)
I would definitely agree that the E3 partner selection was more dramatic, but I don't necessarily think that it was better; the drama felt manufactured and wasn't really fair. Consider what would have happened if they had simply let the players choose their partners and colors starting with the number 1 ball, and making the teams locked once selected. Demian would pick Nicole first; Lindi would pick Chris second; Reese would pick Sarah third; Antonio would pick Willa fourth; and then Bryanah would have the choice between Bjorn, Kareem, or Monroe. Based on getting the number 6 ball and the preferred partners of the players in front of her, Bryanah should have had 3 choices for partner rather than 1 (or no choice, depending on how you look at it). Continuing the thought exercise for a moment, Bryanah obviously doesn't pick Monroe; I'm guessing she'd go for Bjorn. Alex would have the next pick, and it would be either Kareem or Monroe for her. Whoever Alex didn't take would be Rachel's partner. Obviously Monroe getting partnered with Bryanah worked well for the storyline of E3 in hindsight, but as long as Monroe would still be able to win two temples as he did in the actual E3 game, I think his story would still be compelling with either Alex or Rachel as a partner. Assuming Antonio/Willa would still leave first, how does Squaring Off go? Does the Gray (still assuming Chris/Lindi)-Purple (Reece/Sarah)-Orange (Demian/Nicole) alliance loop in a fourth team, or does it get really obvious even earlier that those 3 teams are the powerhouse that needs to be dismantled? And at the same time, I'm not sure I would like other seasons better if they used the E3 bumping method. For instance, I don't think E2 ends up a better season if Mike and Keetin wouldn't have ended up as partners due to someone else bumping one of them. I'm getting off track on E4 here, but all of this is to say that I kind of like the way the E4 partner selection happened; it's more interesting now that we have the contrast of what happened in E4 with what happened when Mack picked all the teams in Karma. I would agree that it would have been nice to see more difference between the E5 and E6 partner selection processes (with the first team picking the second team who picks the third, etc.), though.
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Post by amplify26 on Jul 20, 2022 21:04:22 GMT -5
--Again, is it just me, or were the partner selections better in seasons 1-3? Getting control of the partner selection becomes too standardized in the last half of the show. --Of course, there was the shock of Chris putting Daniela with Jonathan, but it didn't feel as dramatic as Lindi bumping Chris for Bryanah. I would argue that the Daniela-Jonathan drama was about equal to the only real drama in E2 over who would get Jacquelynn - lots of the guys commented about Jacquelynn before the game, but no one was all that bent out of shape about it afterward; Wayne had a brief comment in a confessional but that was it. And I would compare the partner selection mission of E4 favorably to that of E2 - for every ball except for the boys' red (because they knew Jacquelynn wanted red) and the boys' gray (because I think both Shep and Wayne didn't want to not get a ball)...there was no real contest; someone just went after the ball and no one else really tried to stop them. The E4 partner selection power play at least gave some early insight into some of the players who were going to be tough (namely Erika and Isaac), and also gave Chris a chance to back up some of his rhetoric (in terms of how he was going to be the amazing Chris, etc.)
I would definitely agree that the E3 partner selection was more dramatic, but I don't necessarily think that it was better; the drama felt manufactured and wasn't really fair. Consider what would have happened if they had simply let the players choose their partners and colors starting with the number 1 ball, and making the teams locked once selected. Demian would pick Nicole first; Lindi would pick Chris second; Reese would pick Sarah third; Antonio would pick Willa fourth; and then Bryanah would have the choice between Bjorn, Kareem, or Monroe. Based on getting the number 6 ball and the preferred partners of the players in front of her, Bryanah should have had 3 choices for partner rather than 1 (or no choice, depending on how you look at it). Continuing the thought exercise for a moment, Bryanah obviously doesn't pick Monroe; I'm guessing she'd go for Bjorn. Alex would have the next pick, and it would be either Kareem or Monroe for her. Whoever Alex didn't take would be Rachel's partner. Obviously Monroe getting partnered with Bryanah worked well for the storyline of E3 in hindsight, but as long as Monroe would still be able to win two temples as he did in the actual E3 game, I think his story would still be compelling with either Alex or Rachel as a partner. Assuming Antonio/Willa would still leave first, how does Squaring Off go? Does the Gray (still assuming Chris/Lindi)-Purple (Reece/Sarah)-Orange (Demian/Nicole) alliance loop in a fourth team, or does it get really obvious even earlier that those 3 teams are the powerhouse that needs to be dismantled? And at the same time, I'm not sure I would like other seasons better if they used the E3 bumping method. For instance, I don't think E2 ends up a better season if Mike and Keetin wouldn't have ended up as partners due to someone else bumping one of them. I'm getting off track on E4 here, but all of this is to say that I kind of like the way the E4 partner selection happened; it's more interesting now that we have the contrast of what happened in E4 with what happened when Mack picked all the teams in Karma. I would agree that it would have been nice to see more difference between the E5 and E6 partner selection processes (with the first team picking the second team who picks the third, etc.), though.
That's an interesting perspective on Hawaii's partner selection! I could understand how you think the drama was "manufactured", but I thought it was important to see who people truly wanted. We got a hint about what they wanted with interviews and all that, but especially with Lindi bumping Chris, there was a moment there. For "Power Play", I keep thinking how the game would change had any of the other players won. |
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Post by amplify26 on Jul 20, 2022 22:29:54 GMT -5
Blocked:
--Chris: "It's a compliment that everyone's saying the Yellow Team is the one to send home...I take it as a compliment because we're the strongest team." Sure...
--Amelia: "There's a heart down there somewhere..." Haha.
--Franke: "Yeah, I am jealous, and I am man enough to admit it!"
--It's curious to see how Michael and Kylie don't talk to each other as much in the beginning--they seem rather low-key and don't pose much of a threat. Also, it's a pity we don't see much of an edit on Kylie.
--Shea: "I think Blue and Gray are going to the end." Famous last words.
--What do you guys prefer, Blocked, or Tower of Power? I think the former looks easier because you just have to worry about if the blocks would stay together, rather than having to fall into the water and balancing them vertically.
----For a team which claims themselves as "the strongest", Yellow doesn't seem to have the best teamwork.
----Also interesting to see the eventual final two struggle quite a bit, especially Purple.
--Jeszie: "Hey, I have tricks up my sleeve."
--Julie: "I think we strategized pretty good; I think we did pretty good."
--Is there a reason why Jeszie doesn't like Amelia or Julie? Does it have to do with their alliance?
--Hehe at Jeszie's look.
--Isaac: "If she was controlling me, we wouldn't win that mission."/Jeszie: "Because it was our teamwork."
--Other than Lindi and Chris (because they won, duh) and Max and Jenna (who came back for e2), John and Julie has to be the strongest of the Gray teams. Too bad they let their alliance slip.
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Post by amplify26 on Jul 20, 2022 23:18:04 GMT -5
Raft Pull:
--I love the background music at the beginning of this episode--the percussion adds another layer of intensity.
--John seems quite confident in his confessionals. Admittedly, Gray is strong, but they already have a target painted blue on their backs.
--"Yeah, get Blue, get Blue!" Why more for them and not Gray, who came in second the previous mission?
--Who said, "Guys, it's cruel, it's cruel!"? That just made me laugh.
--I love this challenge! It's a perfect mix of alliance-based and a race. Plus, rowing out onto the lake is always fun.
----It's also heartwarming to see Purple Team win this mission! It's like their "Bagging on You" moment, except nobody's really targeting them. They just managed to work together well for the first time!
----That said, Franke was smart to get the flag to Erika before they landed on shore--had Purple not had that lead, then Red would've won it. Though who gets sent to Temple wouldn't change as much.
--Daniela's "Who in charge now?" confessional is so adorable.
--Michael: "Well, I'm not going!" When did his friendship with Daniela fade off?
--All these talks about trying not to get to Temple always reminds me of Nicole's "Please don't send me!" That was so narmy.
--Franke: "It's going to be weird waking up without one of you guys tomorrow."
--Julie: "He's smiling and I'm about to cry!"
--Amelia's comments about how you can't tell people's emotions makes me think of how Darci mentioning she got trust issues after High Sierras.
--Is it just me, or am I not getting much stankness from Julie? That said, she does say pretty lackluster things.
--Death, taxes, and the Gray Team going home first.
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Post by carsonvega on Jul 21, 2022 17:33:07 GMT -5
That's an interesting perspective on Hawaii's partner selection! I could understand how you think the drama was "manufactured", but I thought it was important to see who people truly wanted. We got a hint about what they wanted with interviews and all that, but especially with Lindi bumping Chris, there was a moment there. For "Power Play", I keep thinking how the game would change had any of the other players won.
Manufactured might be a bit of a harsh description, but I do think there's something a bit cruel about making someone (Bryanah) think she can have the partner she wants, basically seem like she has it in her grasp (Chris choosing to stand on gray with her), and then let it get snatched away at the last minute. If the partner selection had happened as I wrote out above, there would still be drama when Lindi picked Chris, but without the added cruelty - Lindi outplayed Bryanah by getting the better ball, so I think it would be easier for Bryanah to accept that she didn't play well enough to get her most favored partner.
I agree it would have been interesting to see how the game would have been different if someone besides Chris won "Power Play." If Jeszie would have won, for instance, would she have considered putting her least favorite choice for partner (Franke) with her most disliked female competitor (Julie) - thereby making them as a team an easy target for her? Jeszie and Erika seemed to get along really well and Erika didn't seem like she would be very upset with any specific guy as her partner (at least as far as we saw). On the other hand, I don't think Jeszie disliked Franke enough to go out of her way to get him out of the game quickly - she just didn't want to be partnered with him - so maybe in the end Jeszie would have put Franke and Erika together anyway. Another interesting potential winner of power play would have been Isaac, since he was clearly very competitive. I wonder if there's any chance he would have tried to potentially handicap Erika by putting her with the smallest (and perhaps weakest?) male partner in Michael? But that also would have upset Daniela and Isaac and Daniela seemed to get along fairly well.
If I had to guess, I think that most of the other players would have put the teams together the same way Chris did, except switching Jonathan/Daniela and Michael/Kylie to Jonathan/Kylie and Michael/Daniela.
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Post by carsonvega on Jul 21, 2022 17:54:28 GMT -5
Blocked: --It's curious to see how Michael and Kylie don't talk to each other as much in the beginning--they seem rather low-key and don't pose much of a threat. Also, it's a pity we don't see much of an edit on Kylie. --What do you guys prefer, Blocked, or Tower of Power? I think the former looks easier because you just have to worry about if the blocks would stay together, rather than having to fall into the water and balancing them vertically. Agree on Kylie's edit. As a mission to try to complete myself, I would definitely want to do Blocked - I do think it's easier for the reason you stated, plus the teams didn't have to deal with swimming while wearing shoes or the alternative of traveling barefoot across hot sand. As a mission to watch other people compete in, Tower of Power. Raft Pull: --"Yeah, get Blue, get Blue!" Why more for them and not Gray, who came in second the previous mission? --Is it just me, or am I not getting much stankness from Julie? That said, she does say pretty lackluster things. I think Chris and Callie decided to get Blue first because Blue put sandbags on Yellow early on in the mission. Also, I think Shea spoke about the Blue-Gray alliance first (so probably had more of the blame for it), and I think the general impression among all the teams was that Blue was a little more dangerous (if for no other reason than their early connection/getting to be on a team before everyone else). As for Julie, I think several of the previous comments about her on this board were likely tinged by her appearance on American Idol. I didn't watch American Idol (never cared about it), so I don't factor that in to my impression of her on Endurance. I think all or almost all of what Julie was shown saying on Endurance was not profound, but also not objectionable either. |
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Post by amplify26 on Jul 21, 2022 23:20:26 GMT -5
Raft Pull: --"Yeah, get Blue, get Blue!" Why more for them and not Gray, who came in second the previous mission? --Is it just me, or am I not getting much stankness from Julie? That said, she does say pretty lackluster things. I think Chris and Callie decided to get Blue first because Blue put sandbags on Yellow early on in the mission. Also, I think Shea spoke about the Blue-Gray alliance first (so probably had more of the blame for it), and I think the general impression among all the teams was that Blue was a little more dangerous (if for no other reason than their early connection/getting to be on a team before everyone else). As for Julie, I think several of the previous comments about her on this board were likely tinged by her appearance on American Idol. I didn't watch American Idol (never cared about it), so I don't factor that in to my impression of her on Endurance. I think all or almost all of what Julie was shown saying on Endurance was not profound, but also not objectionable either. Okay, that's fair (with Julie). I didn't watch her on American Idol, so I wouldn't have known how Julie acted there. She's fine, I guess. Also, thanks for commenting on these posts--I appreciate your analysis! Drop Out-- --Callie: "Blue shouldn't be feeling good about this..." Why is that? With their main ally gone, shouldn't their power muddle a bit? --Jeszie: "I'm excited for tomorrow--not the Temple, but the mission." Already checked out? Haha. --Interesting to see how Blue/Gray is their own separate thing, while the remaining five teams are together for the most part (with Purple and Green being quite close). It also makes me wonder who was the "true" underdogs of Tehachapi--Purple is considered this (because of how they were put together), but they won a few missions. Red perhaps? They got sent to temple and received the Samadhi twice, and are sort of a threat to Purple and Green. What do you think? --Isaac: "This is what we do for fun back home!" And here comes the in-game banter. --Jonathan: "It's in the back, man!" --With all that stretching, I'm wondering if this game had lasted long enough, then J.D. would've made the contestants hold on with one arm only. Which would be hard especially as these devices aren't adjusted for height, apparently. --Chris: "Bye bye Franke." --Isaac: "Just drop out Erika, it's okay." --Erika: "I want to go surfing, because surfing is so fun!" Anything to keep you up there, Erika. --Chris: "We want a mission, man."/Jonathan: "But I want a piece!" Haha. --I like to eat fish too, Erika. What fish do you like? --Chris trying to mimic Demian's pole-shaking technique, though Monroe held onto it. -- kwdrewfan could you do a gif of Erika's "Franke Franke Franke!" celebration, please? --Still not terribly fond of the mission (definitely not the best mission ever--that's either Tide Pull or I'm Pulling for You), but I can appreciate it with all the in-game banter. Only "Walk the Plank" rivals this episode with it, and that was the better mission. --Franke: "I'm getting energy from earth's energy field..." --Going back to the underdog comment, Blue would've made a stronger case had the won something. --"Now that Julie's gone the girls have gotten really close..." Is this what Nicole had envisioned had Bryanah gotten eliminated earlier? --"Coincidentally, they are the strongest teams!" I'm dead. --J.D.: "We'll see if Blue Team is a threat for tomorrow's mission." Shady... |
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Post by Cruise meerkat Youssy on Jul 21, 2022 23:47:13 GMT -5
I agree that people’s perspective on Julie is influenced by her American Idol audition (which, tbh, wasn’t that bad - the judges were kinda mean to her). But I think the edit of that clip tried to portray her as kinda stuck up. I was surprised on my last rewatch of E4 to see that she was actually fine although inconsequential, because I also had that vision of her, probably just from people posting about it on this board
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Post by Cruise meerkat Youssy on Jul 21, 2022 23:49:34 GMT -5
This is making me so nostalgic for E4! Wow, I can remember being a 10 year olds watching all these cool teenagers doing awesome missions and making these friendships and alliances… (and I also had a lil crush on Isaac)
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Post by amplify26 on Jul 22, 2022 0:11:55 GMT -5
Super Stumped: --Why am I reminded of e5 with how they assigned superteams? With Purple this season filling in the place of Green in the next one. --Jonathan: "I think I'll just let the rest of my superteam decide that for me, because I don't want anything to do with sending one of those guys over there." --Franke: "You've got to be kidding me!" --Moral of the story, hubris can lead to silly mistakes. --Michael hugging J.D. --Watching this superteam mission and e3's makes Superboats the following season even more disappointing. ----On another note, could a superteam mission not be a race theoretically? --Franke: "We though we were going to the end, but apparently, that's not the case." Already in the acceptance stage. --The line "And it will be just as hard to come back as it will be to leave" really fits the mood amongst this cast. --Chris: "I love you, Franke!" Haha. --Franke always looks devastated after winning at Temple. Of course, he's happy he won, but he loses a friend in the process. --Is it just me, or were Chris and Callie and Aric and Lilly unlucky in their seasons? especially with the former, both looked like good candidates to do well in challenges, but they just didn't make it that fair. (And for High Sierras, it's partially because they were outside the main alliance) --How would've the game changed had Red gotten eliminated? Who they would've gave their pieces too would be quite intriguing. My team rankings by the end of this episode (though I don't hate any of them!): - Green: Torn between them and my second place, but I can't help but like them. Isaac is almost the ideal guy I would love to have as a partner and a friend, and Jeszie has a really outspoken spirit. It also hasn't gotten to the point where it got irritating--she just said what's on her mind.
- Red: I listened to that four hour endurance/Karma podcast a few days ago, and that reinforced my love for Franke and Erika. The former always has something to say and is quite enthusiastic about the game, and what else could you say about Erika that hasn't already been said?
- Purple: Just how they work together and their individual personalities are so adorable.
- Yellow: I have a soft spot for them! They seemed to get on well in challenges, but Chris could be a bit domineering.
- Blue: Nothing bad to say about them--except the way that they showed their cards quite quickly.
- Gray: They're okay, I guess...
- Orange; Blah. They just seem to get lost in the radar quite a bit, though Michael has his moments from time to time.
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Post by amplify26 on Jul 22, 2022 0:17:45 GMT -5
This is making me so nostalgic for E4! Wow, I can remember being a 10 year olds watching all these cool teenagers doing awesome missions and making these friendships and alliances… (and I also had a lil crush on Isaac) I can relate to having a crush on Isaac, but that's one I thing I only realized when I started rewatching. I only watched partial episodes when I was younger and he stood out to me, but again, I was a kid. It didn't make sense. (I still wish I had someone like Isaac in my life.) |
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Post by carsonvega on Jul 22, 2022 13:35:11 GMT -5
Drop Out-- --Interesting to see how Blue/Gray is their own separate thing, while the remaining five teams are together for the most part (with Purple and Green being quite close). It also makes me wonder who was the "true" underdogs of Tehachapi--Purple is considered this (because of how they were put together), but they won a few missions. Red perhaps? They got sent to temple and received the Samadhi twice, and are sort of a threat to Purple and Green. What do you think? Yes, I've always thought that Red, despite their height advantage and Erika's prowess, was somewhat of an underdog. They're the only winning team that received 2 Samadhis during their season, and they also had to go to the temple earlier in their season than any other winning team. (E1 Blue received 1 Samadhi and didn't attend temple until the finale; E2 Brown received 1 Samadhi and first attended temple when there were 5 teams left; E3 Gray received 1 Samadhi and first attended temple when there were 4 teams left; E5 Green didn't receive any Samadhis and first attended temple when there were 3 teams left; E6 Blue didn't receive any Samadhis and first attended temple when there were 5 teams left; but E4 Red received 2 Samadhis and first attended temple when there were 6 teams left. The runner-up teams from each season also have less impressive comeback records than E4 Red - E1 Yellow didn't receive any Samadhis and first attended temple when there were 4 teams left; E2 Green didn't receive any Samadhis and first attended temple when there were 3 teams left; E3 Orange didn't receive any Samadhis and first attended temple when there were 8 teams left but didn't attend again until the finale; E4 Purple didn't receive any Samadhis and first attended temple when there were 5 teams left; E5 Purple received 1 Samadhi and didn't attend temple until the finale; E6 Green didn't receive any Samadhis and first attended temple when there were 4 teams left.) --I like to eat fish too, Erika. What fish do you like? I like a lot of different types of fish. Salmon is one of my favorites. If you count shrimp, that's also one of my favorites. But as long as they're prepared well, I like cod, tilapia, mahi-mahi...so many! --With all that stretching, I'm wondering if this game had lasted long enough, then J.D. would've made the contestants hold on with one arm only. Which would be hard especially as these devices aren't adjusted for height, apparently. --Still not terribly fond of the mission (definitely not the best mission ever--that's either Tide Pull or I'm Pulling for You), but I can appreciate it with all the in-game banter. Only "Walk the Plank" rivals this episode with it, and that was the better mission. I would agree that Drop Out was not the best mission ever, but I wouldn't agree that Tide Pull, I'm Pulling for You, or Walk the Plank were the best. To me, the best missions have 5 key features: 1) It's not possible for one team to be "gang-tackled" by the other teams (yes, I acknowledge targeting missions have a place in the game, but there's something extra special about a team being able to win without interference from other teams as long as the two team members collectively want it badly enough - this allows the underdog teams more of a chance to win) 2) The mission requires a significant and roughly equal amount of effort from both team members (they actually have to win as a team) 3) The mission doesn't largely favor a particular body type (tall, short, people weighing more or less, etc. - obviously players have different strength but height and weight are more outside of their control)
4) The rules for the mission don't change in the middle of it (this is the most fair to all of the competing teams, and shows that the mission has been properly designed and tested) 5) Unless the mission is basically a single task (like holding on as long as you can), teams should be able to recover from their mistakes (because this allows for a comeback within the mission, which is exciting) So, Drop Out fails feature 2 (one player alone could - and did - win for their team) and feature 3 (no adjustment for height), and could well have failed feature 4 (I think they could eventually have changed to one arm as you suggested). Tide Pull fails feature 1 for sure and possibly feature 2 (rowing a kayak and pulling ropes are not equal, although they're not too badly mismatched in terms of effort). I'm Pulling for You is great for feature 2 but fails feature 5 (Nicole, Demian, and Sarah dropped pieces or had pieces fall during the mission, and because of the way the rope-and-pulley system was arranged relative to the ground and nearby water, it was nearly impossible for the teams to pick up their downed pieces). Walk the Plank fails feature 2 (person on the plank does basically nothing while their partner does everything), feature 3 (teams with one partner who weighed little had a big advantage), and feature 4 (due to the change to only being able to use one hand at 45 minutes - the mission should have been designed to make it tougher to hold on right at the beginning). So, with all of that said, I would rank E2 Face to Face and E4 Spin Fly as the best of the missions. But that's just my opinion of course!
Super Stumped: --Watching this superteam mission and e3's makes Superboats the following season even more disappointing. ----On another note, could a superteam mission not be a race theoretically? (Just as a side note, the video is from the American version of Survivor, but a version of this challenge was actually used in the Australian version of Survivor before the American version.)
If you don't want to watch the link, each team of 6 has to hold up 8 sandbags weighing 10 pounds each over their heads. If the team drops even one sandbag, the trough of water above them spills on them and they lose. The teams can trade off who is holding the most sandbags at any given time. Every 15 minutes, one member of each team has to drop out, giving the weight they were holding to another member of their team. For an Endurance Superteam mission, I would make each of the 3 teams on the Superteam hold up 3 bags. The two members of each individual team would have to communicate with each other to determine how they were going to hold up the extra bag. I wouldn't let the individual teams within the Superteam give bags to each other, and I wouldn't make the Superteams lose members as the mission went along. But I would still make it so that one dropped bag caused the entire Superteam to lose, and I would rig the troughs such that it was obvious which individual team dropped their bag first. Then, when one team lost the mission, the individual team that dropped first would automatically be sent to the temple, with the winning Superteam deciding which of the other two individual teams on the losing Superteam would have to face the individual team that dropped first at the temple. This setup would make it so that an individual team who wanted to sabotage their Superteam would face justifiable consequences for their sabotage (avoiding the situation with the Green team on E5...)
--Is it just me, or were Chris and Callie and Aric and Lilly unlucky in their seasons? especially with the former, both looked like good candidates to do well in challenges, but they just didn't make it that fair. (And for High Sierras, it's partially because they were outside the main alliance) Yes, I think it would be fair to call both Chris/Callie and Aric/Lilly a bit unlucky, for slightly different reasons. Chris/Callie were generally in a good position (with respect to their alliances/friendships with other teams) in E4, but were done in by a single mission loss - their Superteam's surprise defeat. Aric/Lilly were, as you noted, outside the main alliance, and they couldn't win the missions they played in E5. But with different missions Aric/Lilly may well have been able to get a win or maybe multiple wins. I think Aric and Lilly could have won a Face to Face, for example. And if Aric and Lilly had survived their temple against Connor and Taylor, I think they could potentially have won It's a Drag - Cealey did well in It's a Drag but I think Lilly would have been good at that too. --How would've the game changed had Red gotten eliminated? Who they would've gave their pieces too would be quite intriguing. This is interesting, but hard to answer! Franke's relatively recent (2019) interview posted on this board shows how much he actually liked pretty much all of the other teams that could have gotten Red's pieces. Though Jeszie and Erika got along well, I tend to think that Red wouldn't give their pieces to Green (don't think they'd want to give Green a huge lead in pieces, plus Green got off the hook for the loss in Super Stumped despite the fact that Isaac was leading their Superteam). Maybe Purple? Or maybe 1 piece to Purple and 1 piece to Yellow? That would have made it 2 pieces for each of Green, Blue, Yellow, and Purple at that point. With Yellow still in the game, I think Purple still finishes last in Waterworks. Green probably gives the Samadhi to Yellow for Fireball, Green still wins Fireball, and Green still sends Orange up with Purple (due to Orange eliminating Purple from Fireball) and Orange loses. Green still wins Hang 5 and probably gives Yellow the Samadhi again. Purple still wins Cubed and sends Blue and Yellow to temple, probably (although they might send Green - at the time of Super Stumped, as you noted, Jonathan didn't want to be involved in sending either Yellow or Green to the temple). Not sure who wins a Blue-Yellow or Blue-Green temple. I think either Blue or Yellow could have beaten Purple at CYOG (assuming it was the same CYOG)...but I think Green probably ends up with the Samadhi for Circle of Trust regardless, due to all of their previous mission wins. I again think either Blue or Yellow could have won Circle of Trust (with Erika out), but it also could have been Purple (Daniela did hold on for quite a long time in the actual Circle of Trust.) If Green survived to make it to the final temple they would have the lead in pieces, particularly if Blue had been eliminated after Cubed and given their pieces to Green (just as they did in the actual game). If Green didn't make it to the finale I think Purple would have the pieces lead - even if Green got eliminated after Circle of Trust, Jonathan was the best player in the actual Spin Fly and probably still gets the majority of the pieces for Purple in that mission. Bottom line, I think Green probably wins if they make it to the finale, and Purple probably wins if Green doesn't make it. But there is still a possibility that Green exits after Cubed (if somehow Yellow won Cubed or if Purple already thought they were too big of a threat and sent them to the temple with Blue and Green lost to Blue), and if that happened the finale could have been Blue against Yellow. I think Yellow would probably have the pieces lead against Blue and probably wins in that scenario, but that's a lot of guesswork.
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