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Post by Joseph2020 on Jun 29, 2020 20:05:47 GMT -5
There Could Be A Another New Twist In Season 2... That Involve Either Be Contestants That The Season 2 Cast Didn't Made The (RTS) Could Come Back And Form The Ninth Team Of Karma, The Black Team!! Or Two Players From The First Season Could Be Asked Back In Season 2,And Will Inherit One Of The New Added Laws Of Karma In Season 2
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Post by heycaleb on Jun 29, 2020 20:23:43 GMT -5
I'm in Michelle's Twitch stream and got major information! Now some people say that Karma S2 finalists have been picked but Michelle said she doesn't know much about Karma S2 and casting atm especially with everything happening. Luke also talked about his experience! I don't know if Karma S2 has formed it's finalists yet, anybody know?
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Post by Cruise meerkat Youssy on Jun 29, 2020 21:10:30 GMT -5
I'm in Michelle's Twitch stream and got major information! Now some people say that Karma S2 finalists have been picked but Michelle said she doesn't know much about Karma S2 and casting atm especially with everything happening. Luke also talked about his experience! I don't know if Karma S2 has formed it's finalists yet, anybody know? I’d hazard a guess to say that nobody knows except HBO Max, the casting producers, and the finalists/their families. And they won’t be allowed to say. |
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Post by survivorfan128 on Jun 30, 2020 7:21:14 GMT -5
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Post by survivorfan128 on Jun 30, 2020 12:14:01 GMT -5
Harrison was the first one that I realized these are teenagers doing exit interviews on RHAP
But Presley and Adren were great
Poor Monroe getting his question shot down because they did not remember the laws of karma
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Post by survivorfan128 on Jul 2, 2020 10:37:15 GMT -5
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Post by Cruise meerkat Youssy on Jul 2, 2020 11:01:59 GMT -5
Omg I’m still trying to get through episode 3 lol. But they’re all so great!
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Post by Cruise meerkat Youssy on Jul 2, 2020 15:46:14 GMT -5
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Post by survivorfan128 on Jul 2, 2020 17:09:57 GMT -5
Where did everybody go ? Keetin was saying on the episode 4 podcast the show needs more mental challenges 2 of the challenges were if you were not popular you were screwed. |
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Post by carsonvega on Jul 3, 2020 0:29:01 GMT -5
I think that article is mostly trash. It's trendy (or at least it seems to me) to write scathing reviews of TV shows or movies that are getting generally neutral to positive reactions. It's meant to be a hot take, intended to stir up discussion and controversy. I've seen this kind of article before about the movie The Martian from 2015, for instance - most people seemed to like that movie, but I read an article by someone who said they couldn't enjoy the movie because Matt Damon's character Mark Watney was sexist. (I mean, I'll grant that the character of Mark Watney wasn't perfect but I don't think any person would be perfect if they had to live alone on Mars for 560 days.) I don't think the article's complaint about the lack of mental challenges in the first four episodes is fair. Most Endurance seasons didn't have early mental challenges - E3 had Squaring Off, and E2 had Rollerball (which I guess could be considered mostly mental, but also involved some dexterity). Other than that, pretty much all mental challenges took place at the final 4 of each Endurance season or later. E5 - which took place at basically the same location as Karma - had no fully mental challenges. Mental abilities came into play in Move It Along and All Tied Up, but less than for the final mission in the cave in Karma Episode 8 or even the challenge to get the extra coin from the combination lock box that Pink Team won in Karma Episode 7. I wonder if in the Karma Episode 4 mission (with the balance with the baskets and sandbags), could teams have used sandbags to try to block the other teams from throwing sandbags into their basket? (Hitting incoming sandbags in midair?) Or what about the baskets on the far end of each balance (the ones right above where the team member holding the balance was standing)? Could the teams have thrown their sandbags into the far basket to help their holder? There may have been more possible strategies in that mission than what was shown within the episode. I also don't think the article's complaint about the lack of art design is reasonable. I had no trouble differentiating teams during the challenges or understanding differences between the challenge settings, camp setting, or Cave of Karma. If keeping the art design budget low allowed them to offer a bigger prize to the winning contestants, I'm all for that. I will admit that I would have enjoyed Karma more if there were more challenges overall - but then again, I like challenges. I have felt the same way about wanting more challenges in Survivor - I generally enjoy episodes with two (or more) challenges more than episodes with only one challenge. I think J.D. does have somewhat of a point about wanting to make the contestants "bored", so to speak - Karma doesn't take as many days as Survivor and they have weekends off, so the game time they do have has to accomplish a certain degree of interpersonal action. I also don't feel like the game tried overly hard to stir up excess drama among the contestants, compared to Endurance or similar reality competition shows. To be honest, throughout the entire first season of Karma, the only part of induced drama that I didn't enjoy very much was with respect to Pink Team's decision to send Gray and Yellow to the Cave of Karma in Episode 4. Specifically, I didn't like the question Michelle asked the morning after Pink Team made their decision if they were still happy with their decision, Avon said no, and Michelle said that they should get on the same page. It was obvious that that was a tough decision for Pink Team, given that they had taken a few extra minutes to discuss it the night before. And I have no doubt that Michelle had been informed that Avon wasn't happy about having to send Yellow. But if you ask me, it was the right decision, both based on what Pink Team knew at the time and also looking back with the benefit of hindsight. Eli and Illya both had very impressive performances in the partner selection mission, so it would not be safe to bet on them to keep not winning missions, especially with the expectation that missions after Episode 4 would not have much opportunity to target other teams (since targeting had come up twice up through Episode 4 already). Furthermore, there really aren't that many eliminations in Karma. In Survivor, contestants are eliminated 14-18 times over the course of a season; in Karma, teams are only eliminated 6 times. So teams in Karma really need to try to eliminate the other strong teams whenever they get a chance. It would not be surprising at all for a team to win three challenges in a row; Jonna and Aaron won 3 temple missions in a row in Endurance 1, and also 3 missions overall in a row at one point too (Dial In, Build a Pyramid, Leap of Fate). With the benefit of hindsight, NOT sending Red Team (which Avon brought up as a possibility instead of Yellow Team) was the right thing to do. Red Team won the challenge in Episode 5, but did not send Pink Team to the Cave of Karma at that time. If I understand the strategy correctly (maybe once all the RHAP podcasts come out I can confirm), Red Team probably wanted to make sure Gray and Blue could not work together at the Final 4, which seems reasonable. (I'm not sure if Avon's dehydration made them think that possibly Pink Team would be unable to compete in some of the future challenges). But now consider what would have happened if Pink Team had sent Gray Team and Red Team instead of Gray Team and Yellow Team: *If Red Team had returned, they probably still would win the Episode 5 challenge. Their best play is probably to send Yellow Team and Pink Team to the Cave of Karma, since Gray-Blue would no longer need to be broken up. They should certainly send Pink Team since Pink Team would have sent them previously in this scenario! *If somehow Yellow Team would have beaten Red Team in the Episode 5 challenge, their best play is probably to send the two teams left in the game that had already won challenges - Pink Team and Blue Team. *If Gray Team had returned instead of Red Team, it makes sense for them to keep their closest ally Blue Team and the physically weaker Purple Team, and send Pink Team and Yellow Team. In a nutshell, it might not be "fair" to send a team to the Cave of Karma 3 times in a row - but it was the best play for Pink Team to keep themselves in the game! And I didn't need the show to dramatize that situation for me. |
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Post by Cruise meerkat Youssy on Jul 3, 2020 6:49:51 GMT -5
If Pink had NOT sent Yellow though, that pretty much guarantees Yellow having Pink as their number one ally. We know from the podcast that Presley said she, Illya, and Avon were all very close. And if Pink spared Yellow, then Yellow which was perceived as “such a strong team” then Yellow absolutely would’ve spared Pink in the future.
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Post by theacf12 on Jul 3, 2020 12:11:02 GMT -5
I think that article is mostly trash. It's trendy (or at least it seems to me) to write scathing reviews of TV shows or movies that are getting generally neutral to positive reactions. It's meant to be a hot take, intended to stir up discussion and controversy. I've seen this kind of article before about the movie The Martian from 2015, for instance - most people seemed to like that movie, but I read an article by someone who said they couldn't enjoy the movie because Matt Damon's character Mark Watney was sexist. (I mean, I'll grant that the character of Mark Watney wasn't perfect but I don't think any person would be perfect if they had to live alone on Mars for 560 days.) I don't think the article's complaint about the lack of mental challenges in the first four episodes is fair. Most Endurance seasons didn't have early mental challenges - E3 had Squaring Off, and E2 had Rollerball (which I guess could be considered mostly mental, but also involved some dexterity). Other than that, pretty much all mental challenges took place at the final 4 of each Endurance season or later. E5 - which took place at basically the same location as Karma - had no fully mental challenges. Mental abilities came into play in Move It Along and All Tied Up, but less than for the final mission in the cave in Karma Episode 8 or even the challenge to get the extra coin from the combination lock box that Pink Team won in Karma Episode 7. I wonder if in the Karma Episode 4 mission (with the balance with the baskets and sandbags), could teams have used sandbags to try to block the other teams from throwing sandbags into their basket? (Hitting incoming sandbags in midair?) Or what about the baskets on the far end of each balance (the ones right above where the team member holding the balance was standing)? Could the teams have thrown their sandbags into the far basket to help their holder? There may have been more possible strategies in that mission than what was shown within the episode. I also don't think the article's complaint about the lack of art design is reasonable. I had no trouble differentiating teams during the challenges or understanding differences between the challenge settings, camp setting, or Cave of Karma. If keeping the art design budget low allowed them to offer a bigger prize to the winning contestants, I'm all for that. I will admit that I would have enjoyed Karma more if there were more challenges overall - but then again, I like challenges. I have felt the same way about wanting more challenges in Survivor - I generally enjoy episodes with two (or more) challenges more than episodes with only one challenge. I think J.D. does have somewhat of a point about wanting to make the contestants "bored", so to speak - Karma doesn't take as many days as Survivor and they have weekends off, so the game time they do have has to accomplish a certain degree of interpersonal action. I also don't feel like the game tried overly hard to stir up excess drama among the contestants, compared to Endurance or similar reality competition shows. To be honest, throughout the entire first season of Karma, the only part of induced drama that I didn't enjoy very much was with respect to Pink Team's decision to send Gray and Yellow to the Cave of Karma in Episode 4. Specifically, I didn't like the question Michelle asked the morning after Pink Team made their decision if they were still happy with their decision, Avon said no, and Michelle said that they should get on the same page. It was obvious that that was a tough decision for Pink Team, given that they had taken a few extra minutes to discuss it the night before. And I have no doubt that Michelle had been informed that Avon wasn't happy about having to send Yellow. But if you ask me, it was the right decision, both based on what Pink Team knew at the time and also looking back with the benefit of hindsight. Eli and Illya both had very impressive performances in the partner selection mission, so it would not be safe to bet on them to keep not winning missions, especially with the expectation that missions after Episode 4 would not have much opportunity to target other teams (since targeting had come up twice up through Episode 4 already). Furthermore, there really aren't that many eliminations in Karma. In Survivor, contestants are eliminated 14-18 times over the course of a season; in Karma, teams are only eliminated 6 times. So teams in Karma really need to try to eliminate the other strong teams whenever they get a chance. It would not be surprising at all for a team to win three challenges in a row; Jonna and Aaron won 3 temple missions in a row in Endurance 1, and also 3 missions overall in a row at one point too (Dial In, Build a Pyramid, Leap of Fate). With the benefit of hindsight, NOT sending Red Team (which Avon brought up as a possibility instead of Yellow Team) was the right thing to do. Red Team won the challenge in Episode 5, but did not send Pink Team to the Cave of Karma at that time. If I understand the strategy correctly (maybe once all the RHAP podcasts come out I can confirm), Red Team probably wanted to make sure Gray and Blue could not work together at the Final 4, which seems reasonable. (I'm not sure if Avon's dehydration made them think that possibly Pink Team would be unable to compete in some of the future challenges). But now consider what would have happened if Pink Team had sent Gray Team and Red Team instead of Gray Team and Yellow Team: *If Red Team had returned, they probably still would win the Episode 5 challenge. Their best play is probably to send Yellow Team and Pink Team to the Cave of Karma, since Gray-Blue would no longer need to be broken up. They should certainly send Pink Team since Pink Team would have sent them previously in this scenario! *If somehow Yellow Team would have beaten Red Team in the Episode 5 challenge, their best play is probably to send the two teams left in the game that had already won challenges - Pink Team and Blue Team. *If Gray Team had returned instead of Red Team, it makes sense for them to keep their closest ally Blue Team and the physically weaker Purple Team, and send Pink Team and Yellow Team. In a nutshell, it might not be "fair" to send a team to the Cave of Karma 3 times in a row - but it was the best play for Pink Team to keep themselves in the game! And I didn't need the show to dramatize that situation for me. I think the show had a weak game structure, that worked against strong teams and gave them little chance to recover outside of winning challenges, which is why I felt more challenges were necessary. The best strategy in Karma is to win no challenges to make it to the end and be as little of a threat as possible. As a whole, the concept of Karma discourages strategic gameplay as it's hard to play strategically without bad karma coming into the mix and I think it clouded the game as a whole. You have to keep on sending the same teams over and over again to avoid "bad karma" from sending other teams and that's why the game felt so linear. |
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Post by carsonvega on Jul 3, 2020 14:53:46 GMT -5
If Pink had NOT sent Yellow though, that pretty much guarantees Yellow having Pink as their number one ally. We know from the podcast that Presley said she, Illya, and Avon were all very close. And if Pink spared Yellow, then Yellow which was perceived as “such a strong team” then Yellow absolutely would’ve spared Pink in the future.
Absolutely? I'm not confident in that. Presley also said that the boys were being very direct/blunt about their strategy and in terms of how they were dealing with each other, and the girls were being a lot more subtle. With that in mind, I don't know if Eli would have been willing to spare Pink necessarily, because the boys had apparently been discussing everyone wanting to get Yellow out quite a bit. During Eli's segment in the podcast, he mentioned that he wanted Red Team to win the final challenge (which aligns with Yellow Team giving their clue to Red Team for that challenge). So I think Eli might have been on better terms with Red than Pink even without Pink's decision in Episode 4.
Had Pink saved Yellow and sent Gray and Red: *If Red came back and Yellow won the bell-ringing challenge, Yellow would be picking between Blue (who won one previous challenge), Pink (who won one previous challenge), Red (no previous challenge wins in this scenario), and Purple (no challenge wins). Is it really the best strategy for Yellow to save Pink? Pink was still clearly close with Purple, and would appear to be Yellow's biggest competition to win the remaining challenges. It probably wouldn't be reasonable to assume that Pink would save Yellow again if Pink were to win the challenge at Final 4, because Pink would save Purple first. So there's a real argument for Yellow trying to get Pink before Pink would be able to get Yellow in the next round.
*If Gray came back and Yellow won the bell-ringing challenge, it would probably make sense for Yellow to send Gray and Blue to break up that alliance, which is what Red did anyway. So no advantage gained from Pink's perspective unless they actually believed that Yellow was weaker than Red.
From a consistency standpoint, if Pink wanted to save Yellow, it would have made more sense to start that strategy by not targeting them in the Episode 4 Fill and Spill challenge. Avon could have thrown all her sandbags at Gray's basket, on the idea/justification that it would take more sandbags to get Huck out than Eli. In fact, I think that's what Red Team was thinking during the challenge - even though it was portrayed that everyone starting piling on Gray only after Yellow was out, Aaron hit Gray's basket with some early sandbags. Meanwhile, Avon was throwing sandbags at Yellow's basket. When Huck finally did drop out, it looks like there were fewer Pink bags on Gray (1) than there were Pink bags on Yellow (at least 2 or 3) when Eli dropped out. I'm not positive, but I think Eli held up more bags overall than Huck, actually.
Regardless of who held up the most bags, I still think it was the correct strategic decision for Pink to send Yellow.
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Post by carsonvega on Jul 3, 2020 15:30:02 GMT -5
I think the show had a weak game structure, that worked against strong teams and gave them little chance to recover outside of winning challenges, which is why I felt more challenges were necessary. The best strategy in Karma is to win no challenges to make it to the end and be as little of a threat as possible. As a whole, the concept of Karma discourages strategic gameplay as it's hard to play strategically without bad karma coming into the mix and I think it clouded the game as a whole. You have to keep on sending the same teams over and over again to avoid "bad karma" from sending other teams and that's why the game felt so linear.
I think I understand what you're saying and I agree partially. I'm not sure Karma's structure was really working against the strong teams, though. In Endurance 1, the Blue/Yellow/Red alliance basically consisted of the strongest teams and ran the whole game except for the House of Cards episode. Karma could have had a similar setup if the strongest alliance had been something like Gray/Red/Pink, but Gray seemed to be closest to Blue, and both Red and Pink aligned themselves with Purple. I guess it depends on how you define a strong team. Is Green one of the strong teams? Is Yellow? Is Gray, even? Gray didn't do so well in the bell-ringing challenge.
I do think Karma could have had more challenges to earn more Karma coins, like the one Blue earned for winning Tilt. I'm not clear as to why they awarded a bonus coin for winning Tilt but not the other challenges. I suppose they might not have wanted to award coins for the political challenges in Episode 2 and Episode 4, but why not award a coin for Red Team winning the bell-ringing challenge in Episode 5 which wasn't political at all? I also think it might have been interesting if they had rewarded Blue for giving their extra coin for winning Tilt to Gray rather than just saving it for themselves - maybe by, say, giving them two coins to use in the future once they had confirmed they were giving up their extra coin? Obviously if they gave out a lot of bonus Karma coins that wouldn't work, but for a one-time reward that might have been interesting and very much in line with the Karma theme.
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Post by survivorfan128 on Jul 3, 2020 15:33:34 GMT -5
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Post by Cruise meerkat Youssy on Jul 3, 2020 18:23:25 GMT -5
I swear, where has Monroe been for 15 years! He is so freaking funny without even trying to be lmaooo
“Endurance Hawaii was a soap opera!”
“That was a TRAGEDY, that’s what that was”
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