Worst Moves in Endurance

[waterwoodfire]

Sept 27, 2020 21:20:28 GMT -5 Mister Ham said:

Def brown in squaring off. Never give away the power when you know the other group is working together!!

I’d also say Gray volunteering to go to temple in e1. Sure, they didn’t know what was there, but would you want to risk it? The challenge could have been anything!!

I just looked at the episode again and Gray did not actually volunteer. Max claimed that Blue said they weren't going to send Gray and then Blue changed their minds as they wanted to make sure Green was gone and they weren't confident that Orange would be able to beat them. The fault was thus on Blue for risking Gray despite not having a clue what was actually at temple.

[Cruise meerkat Youssy]

In Bagging On You, Red eliminating Blue instead of Yellow made zero sense to me. It just paved the way for Yellow, who was in the opposite alliance, to win the entire mission.

[waterwoodfire]

That also makes me think of fireball in Endurance 2 where Green had the chance to beat Purple but took out Red (who never caught the ball in the challenge) instead, ultimately costing them the mission. In the long run, this meant that Green missed out on a piece that might have given them a better chance at winning in the finals.

[carsonvega]

Oct 10, 2020 14:48:31 GMT -5 Cruise meerkat Youssy said:

In Bagging On You, Red eliminating Blue instead of Yellow made zero sense to me. It just paved the way for Yellow, who was in the opposite alliance, to win the entire mission.

I could think of a few reasons for Red eliminating Blue.

*Yellow eliminated Orange and Gray with their first two eliminations; that would seem to indicate that Red was not at the top of Yellow's potential target list for teams to send up to the temple (especially considering that Purple, who had given Yellow the Samadhi, was yet another option in addition to Orange and Gray).

*Willa's behavior probably made Blue seem unpredictable.  That is, Red probably thought that Blue was more likely to send them up to the temple because they didn't really know what Willa would do.

*Even if Red eliminated Yellow, Brown would still have been left in the mission; Red might have thought that eliminating Yellow would make them more of a target for Brown (not just for the rest of the mission but for the rest of E3 as well).  Yes, Brown was not a great team, but their lack of ability at missions was not nearly as well known at this point as it would become known later.

*At the time Red eliminated Blue, Yellow had hit the target twice and then missed twice in a row; Blue had hit the target once during the first of Yellow's misses.  So Blue had actually hit more recently, and Red may have been hoping that the Samadhi disadvantage would still have a role in preventing Yellow from winning.

In the end, Red was not sent to temple by Yellow in this episode, so things worked out for them.  Since no Endurance piece was at stake in Bagging on You, it was more important to avoid being sent to Temple than straight up win the mission.

[amplify26]

This has gone around in my mind a bit, but how bad was Blue giving the Samadhi to Gray in Move it Along in hindsight?
With that, they basically eliminated their ex-teammates; even if Gray had won Walk the Plank, I'm not sure if they could still make a counteralliance with Blue (Yellow would be obvious; Darci discussed about forming an alliance with Lilly). And Blue would be caught in the hairs of the crossfire.
It's interesting because even though Blue did make it to the final three, could've they made their journey easier? (though we wouldn't have saw them survive three trips to Temple)

[waterwoodfire]

I guess the question then is who else should they have given the samadhi to? Given it to one of the PROG alliance might cause them to turn against Blue immediately. Gray might have outlasted Purple without the samadhi (unless Dakota deliberately let go once Gray was out) but it is questionable if they could beat Red even if they got the samadhi instead. For this one part of the game, PROG spared Blue and avoiding giving the samadhi to the big alliance seemed to work in Blue's temporary favour even if it meant targeting former teamworks.

The only other option would have been to give the samadhi to Yellow who likely wouldn't be able to do anything against Blue and might have been eliminated at temple if Connor didn't leak Gray's strategy. On the hand, even if Gray survived temple, I assume the PROG alliance would still target Gray like they did Yellow in next endurance mission and put them with Blue and Green. At that point, it becomes a question of who Blue-Green-Gray would have selected as a representative. If they still picked Blue, Purple-Orange-Red would still win and either Blue or Gray would be gone.

[fanofe2]

These aren't necessarily bad moves, but:
1) Lana saying "you have to put your hands on something hot, then something cold."

2) Messing up the list on E1 had repercussions.

3) Was it Darci that had the trick at Temple and then told Taylor?

FWIW, Taylor is fairly high on my villain list.

[waterwoodfire]

Connor was the one who leaked Darci's strategy to Yellow (if you lose the first round, stick with the same element). I assume Darci told Connor this strategy when they were still Gray and decided to stick with it even though Blue already gave them a samadhi.

[amplify26]

Aug 9, 2023 13:37:47 GMT -5 fanofe2 said:

These aren't necessarily bad moves, but:
1) Lana saying "you have to put your hands on something hot, then something cold."

2) Messing up the list on E1 had repercussions.

3) Was it Darci that had the trick at Temple and then told Taylor?

FWIW, Taylor is fairly high on my villain list.

I thought Lana had the right idea in terms of hiding the Temple of Fate for a time. Though on the other hand, Trevor bought the Green Team a little bit more time for the Green Team when he shared it with Red and Yellow. Could go either way.

For 2, it depends on how you see it. Max and Jenna threw the following challenge because they thought others saw them as a threat. Depending on if Max would play as hard as he did on Endurance 2, the List incident could've played out a lot of ways. Strangely enough, the Gray Team allied themselves with Red and Yellow, despite those two teams being the main supporters of the List.

No, Darci never told Taylor her Temple strategy. Nor is she a villain; she wasn't cunning or manipulative, nor was she mean to the other contestants. (eesh...)

[fanofe2]

Aug 9, 2023 21:16:38 GMT -5 amplify26 said:

Aug 9, 2023 13:37:47 GMT -5 fanofe2 said:

These aren't necessarily bad moves, but:
1) Lana saying "you have to put your hands on something hot, then something cold."

2) Messing up the list on E1 had repercussions.

3) Was it Darci that had the trick at Temple and then told Taylor?

FWIW, Taylor is fairly high on my villain list.

I thought Lana had the right idea in terms of hiding the Temple of Fate for a time. Though on the other hand, Trevor bought the Green Team a little bit more time for the Green Team when he shared it with Red and Yellow. Could go either way.

For 2, it depends on how you see it. Max and Jenna threw the following challenge because they thought others saw them as a threat. Depending on if Max would play as hard as he did on Endurance 2, the List incident could've played out a lot of ways. Strangely enough, the Gray Team allied themselves with Red and Yellow, despite those two teams being the main supporters of the List.

No, Darci never told Taylor her Temple strategy. Nor is she a villain; she wasn't cunning or manipulative, nor was she mean to the other contestants. (eesh...)

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